units and divisions arriving from reserve: questions !

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KeefM
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units and divisions arriving from reserve: questions !

Message par KeefM » ven. 15 sept. 2023 20:49

In a just completed game, the French were defending in an Assault game and to make up their 66pts of off-table reserves they had their heavy cavalry division (ordinary general plus two elite cuirassier = 48pts), plus a unit of L3 hussars out of the LC division = 10pts, plus a L2 provisional infantry unit out of the infantry division = 8pts.

On turn 4 all these reserves arrive on-table by which time the attacking Prussians were covering a lot of table space and encroaching near to the French table edge.

So ...

The arriving HC Division and the two individual units don't need CPs from the CnC as this is an Assault game so they arrive automatically (at the beginning of turn 4 in the strategic command phase).

On entering the table (more than 6 UD from any Prussian units), how do these units now move ? The reserve rules say they can make normal or operational moves. Right, so "normal" moves it is then !

The HC division completes a single normal move onto the table prior to any Division activations. Does its general dice to see how many CPs it has for these normal moves ? (We assumed so.) Can the units move separately ? (We assumed so.) Or should they have moved as a group ?

Once they finish their move(s), the HC General is given an Attack order, and both HC units are now within 4 UD of the enemy. We now count this HC Division as already having activated even though divisional activations haven't yet commenced.

Then what happens ? What status do these newly arrived units have ? (We assumed they would be treated as a normally previously activated unit.) Can on-table units react to them with normal reaction options ?

What restrictions are the arriving units under apart from not being able to shoot or charge ?

But, even so, can these newly arrived units declare an opportunity charge ? (We assumed not given the above restriction.) We assumed they can otherwise react normally to enemy moves/presence within 4 UD. And therefore, if charged, we assumed they could countercharge normally as a charge reaction ? But, given that they can react normally, does that mean they can opportunity charge also given that is a normal reaction also ? Even though they are precluded from charging ? (And what if they were infantry and were shot at; could they have returned fire ?)

And, lastly, do the arriving individual units act like a normally arriving reserve unit ? Do they move to get in command of their General ? (In our case, they arrived on-table already in command due to the positioning of their on-table commanders !) And, if in command, can they then act normally under their Generals CPs ? Even though they can't fire or charge as arriving reserves ? And their Generals haven't even yet activated so don't have CPs yet ? In which case, how are they activated to move on arrival ?

As above with the HC units, the arriving L3 hussars ended up within 4 UD of Prussian units and therefore leading to questions about what reactions they had available to them. (They had positioned themselves directly in front of and within 2 UD of a Prussian Landwehr cavalry unit whose command had Attack orders.)

The arriving L2 provisional infantry crept quietly onto the table in full square formation, and placed themselves so they then counted as an enemy in charge reach for some Prussian cavalry units on Attack orders !

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Re: units and divisions arriving from reserve: questions !

Message par RogerGreenwood » sam. 16 sept. 2023 20:02

I don't have the rules with me, but if I recall correctly, you would dice for CP as usual and move on to the table. Once there, the division gets it order and is as free to react as if it had always been there. Of course, if units doubled moved and acquired an action marker or had been given an order that prevents opportunity charges these conditions would apply.

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Re: units and divisions arriving from reserve: questions !

Message par RogerGreenwood » sam. 16 sept. 2023 20:06

We have not yet had a game where individual units arrived. However, I would suggest that if they have no action marker after arrival, then they behave like any unit of their division when activated.

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Re: units and divisions arriving from reserve: questions !

Message par KeefM » sam. 16 sept. 2023 22:44

... the only hiccup being that units arriving from reserve can't charge or shoot ...

Basically, under v1 the arriving units/divisions were proscribed by their orders and a normal divisional activation. The v2 arrival mechanism has them effectively activating out-of-sequence, and under some special movement/"activation" provisions, that make things somewhat less clear ...

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Re: units and divisions arriving from reserve: questions !

Message par RogerGreenwood » dim. 17 sept. 2023 12:13

Now I have actually read the rules it is clearly stated that individual units cannot move or attack the enemy in their division's activation.

That is pretty much the same as reserve divisions.

In both cases they can follow the reaction options during enemy activations. I think it is all very clear. Reserves arrive without fighting as the first activations of the turn.

Reserve divisions get an order which will govern their actions during enemy activations, but the divisions do not activate again that turn.
Individual units are under the orders of their division, but cannot be activated again when their division activates.

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