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28mm basing questions

Message par Leondegrande » jeu. 30 janv. 2020 09:53

Hi all.

I struggle with the look and feel of my already based 28mm miniatures for BE because a unit infantry medium size should be 24, cavalry 12.
The figures are based 4 infantry on 40x40mm and two cavalry on 50x50mm and artillery on 60x80mm per cannon&crew.
Because of that the UD will be too huge (12-15cm, roughly 4"), which would be fine for shooting but not for movement (UD of 2" is perfect for movement).

Does anybody have some experience with 28mm and double sized units?
Is doubling the UD for shooting (UD = 4") and normal for movement (UD = 2") workable?

Another issue is the formation with 4 inf per base of infantry and 2 for cavalry.
Any suggestions how to set the bases for line and column?

Line
XXXXXX

Column
XXX
XXX

Will that work or will that create units with a too wide front ranks?


Would be great if someone can enlighten me.
I have no experience with 15mm systems using UD as standard size, so sorry if my questions are completely nonsense.
(playing tabletops for over 30 years, with WFB, WAB and LotR as main systems over the years)

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Olaf

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Re: 28mm basing questions

Message par Roundie » ven. 31 janv. 2020 05:22

Hi Olaf
My 28's are all based on 50/50mm squares with 4 bases equaling a medium sized unit. So I should be using 100mm per UD which doesn't really work moment wise on a 2400/1800mm table (8/6 foot).

I currently messing around with 70mm UD's which gives me a bit more maneuver room on the table.

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Re: 28mm basing questions

Message par Leondegrande » ven. 31 janv. 2020 11:32

Thanks Roundie.

In case you have found a good balance/workable UD and unit size and shape please let me know.
My table is usually 6x4', except for club events.

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Re: 28mm basing questions

Message par hcaille » lun. 3 févr. 2020 13:43

You can adapt UD to fit to your table dimensions.
For 28 mm, try with one UD = 5 cm or 6 cm on a 120 x 180 cm table

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Re: 28mm basing questions

Message par Leondegrande » lun. 3 févr. 2020 14:07

Merci, Herve.

The general issue is: having 24 figures instead of 12 makes the unit width/UD to huge for a 120x180cm table.
Is there a general guide for people that use the look and feel of most 28mm rule sets?
Basing is 4 infantry on 40x40mm and 2 cavalry on 50x50mm and one cannon on 60x80mm.

Sorry to bother, I'm a 28mm man :)

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Re: 28mm basing questions

Message par Noss Calavera » mar. 4 févr. 2020 16:28

Leondegrande a écrit :
lun. 3 févr. 2020 14:07
Merci, Herve.

The general issue is: having 24 figures instead of 12 makes the unit width/UD to huge for a 120x180cm table.
Is there a general guide for people that use the look and feel of most 28mm rule sets?
Basing is 4 infantry on 40x40mm and 2 cavalry on 50x50mm and one cannon on 60x80mm.

Sorry to bother, I'm a 28mm man :)
The general rule is to double the size of a UD if you are going with double(24 figs) the size unit. Unfortunately, this means a much larger table.

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Re: 28mm basing questions

Message par hcaille » jeu. 13 févr. 2020 14:19

You can easily adapt UD to what suit better to your table and figs scale.
For a 180 x 120 cm table and 28 mm figs, my advice is to use 1 UD = 6 cm

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Re: 28mm basing questions

Message par selaurant » sam. 15 févr. 2020 21:37

Leondegrande a écrit :
lun. 3 févr. 2020 14:07
Merci, Herve.

The general issue is: having 24 figures instead of 12 makes the unit width/UD to huge for a 120x180cm table.
Is there a general guide for people that use the look and feel of most 28mm rule sets?
Basing is 4 infantry on 40x40mm and 2 cavalry on 50x50mm and one cannon on 60x80mm.

Sorry to bother, I'm a 28mm man :)
I also have 28mm figures using this same basing you quote. I am not sure I understand where you are getting the 24 figures per medium sized unit from? The rules specify 4 bases per medium infantry unit, so 16 figures. 24 figures (six bases) would be a large infantry unit. This would give a UD of 8cm. Herve suggests in practice a UD of 6cm for 28mm on a six by four feet table (180cm x 120cm). From our trials so far this UD of 6cm looks like it will work, with one UD then being equal to the frontage of an artillery base.

The standard infantry move is then 240mm in line, 360mmm in column, and musket range is 120mm. You deploy up to 36cm in on your battle plan, which feels right on a 180cm x 120cm table. I’m not sure I see the problem?

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Re: 28mm basing questions

Message par Bivoj » mer. 1 juil. 2020 20:48

We use the same basing in 28mm - "doublebase" with 24 figs infantry on 2cm square bases and 12 figs cavalry on 2,5cmx5cm bases. We use 1UD=2'' for movement and 1UD=3'' for shooting and for command range of generals. It works just fine and it clicks together.

I have made custom QRS by editing scanned .pdf, so we have all distances in QRS in inches.

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Re: 28mm basing questions

Message par player » mar. 7 mars 2023 15:52

I am going to use my 15mm double based units as a medium unit which will be 40mm per base and therefore 160mm long in Line. I will still use the UD as suggested in the rules as 40mm rather than 80mm which is the suggestion as being half the length of the unit in line.
Is there any reason in terms of the mechanics of the rules why I cannot choose what measurement my UD is, whatever the size of my units?

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