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Charging as a group

Posté : mar. 17 août 2021 22:25
par RogerGreenwood
A group of units charges. Two units will contact the enemy, but the enemy are spaced a little wider than the chargers. Hence, only one charger can aim at the centre of its target and keep the units in the group all facing the same direction as required for a group move. Which is correct?
1. The group cannot contact both enemy.
2. One unit is aimed at the centre of its target, the other also makes contact, but did not move towards the centre of its target.
3. The charging group aims towards the mid point of its targets. Neither is aiming at the centre of its target unit, but the group is heading towards the centre of the targeted units.

Re: Charging as a group

Posté : mar. 17 août 2021 22:28
par RogerGreenwood
Pardon, should have posted in the English section.

Re: Charging as a group

Posté : mer. 18 août 2021 11:57
par Adrian Steer
Google translate version in case anybody wants to comment
Un groupe de charges unitaires. Deux unités entreront en contact avec l'ennemi, mais l'ennemi est espacé un peu plus large que les chargeurs. Par conséquent, un seul chargeur peut viser le centre de sa cible et garder les unités du groupe toutes orientées dans la même direction que nécessaire pour un mouvement de groupe. Qui est correct?
1. Le groupe ne peut pas contacter les deux ennemis.
2. Une unité vise le centre de sa cible, l'autre entre également en contact, mais ne s'est pas déplacée vers le centre de sa cible.
3. Le groupe de charge vise le point médian de ses objectifs. Ni l'un ni l'autre ne vise le centre de son unité cible, mais le groupe se dirige vers le centre des unités ciblées.

Re: Charging as a group

Posté : mer. 18 août 2021 13:14
par Raph
Wow Google translate is really bad ...

So we are talking about a group charging a wider group of enemies, for example if I understand 2 columns charging 2 enemy lines ? the important thing is your units are grouped at the begining of their turn but they can break this group even having the same order : in our case this is the player's choice.

So when your group is declaring charge you check if each unit is at good range from their repective ennemies, if yes you have 2 choices (if no, only the second choice) :

1- Each unit charge it's opponant : they move separately in direction of their targets (they aim the center of each unit), the group is separated and will no more be a group the next turn (except if the units are separated by 2UD or less) but this turn only 1 order has been needed for making charging the whole group.

2- A principal unit is designated to charge the ennemy front of her, the other one will charge as flank support. The group is still formed for the next turn.

Of course if your group has extra units you can attribute supports to each charging units and so they can form new groups with them ;)



GOOGLE TRANSLATE :

La structure au fil des années, jouent un rôle important dans de nombreuses charges de groupe possède un lien étroit avec la notion de de Lie continus lapin l'opération consistant à composer de telles transformations. Un groupe de symétrie décrit les symétries dans le modèle standard symétrie lapin de la particule ces derniers, par exemple il consiste en un ensemble de transformations géométriques qui laissent l'objet invariant Les groupes généraux linéaires sont, c'est-à-dire à les appliquer l'une après l'autre. la théorie lapin des groupes, qui s'intéresse aux groupes de type fini en tant qu'objets géométriques, est devenue un champ particulièrement actif de la théorie des groupes.

1-Lapin

2-De toutes façons tu vas faire un "1" aux dés à ton combat, qu'est-ce que tu te prends la tête ?

:lol:

Re: Charging as a group

Posté : mer. 18 août 2021 22:59
par RogerGreenwood
I agree choice 1 is quite sensible. However, for a group move the units must end as a group. If both aim at the centre of their targets they will not be facing the same direction, hence not finish the move as a group. This is our problem!

Re: Charging as a group

Posté : jeu. 19 août 2021 06:19
par Raph
Ok so your question is "as a group has to start and finish a move grouped" P.19 in the french rule, "can we separate a group while charging ?"
I haven't the answer but I'm not sure a "charge" is a "move" like it is described P.19, it is more about standard moves ...

In my eyes the best answer is : if you doubt just use 2 orders to charge and split your group ... or use solution 2 if you want to keep your group formed : A principal unit is designated to charge the ennemy front of her, the other one will charge as flank support.

Re: Charging as a group

Posté : jeu. 19 août 2021 08:45
par RogerGreenwood
Thanks, it seems the original French version of the rules does not clarify this either.
Having enough CP to charge as two groups would always be nice. There are rarely enough CP 🙂!